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Hello from Kentucky
Apr 4th, 2010 at 3:22am
 
Please allow me to introduce myself.� I live in Lexington, KY and am an Electrical Engineer by profession.�

I pick up a Parker Hale 2-band Naval rifle with a serial number 22XX on Monday.� My understanding is this is a first gen P_H.� Is this correct?� The gun, I believe, is stamped Birmingham, England on the barrel and has a cartouche on the stock. It appears to have been fired very little, if any.� The bore is mint.� Smiley

I have printed out and read the enfield information on the lrml website.� Any other advise or websites would be greatly appreciated.� �

Thank you.
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 12:18am
 
James,

This is going to be a short reply.� I had written you a much longer one but lost it when I went elsewhere on the web to check a reference.� Never fear, you will get all that I had written before and maybe more.

Two other sites for you to look at if you haven't already:

http://n-ssa.org/phpBB3/� � the north-South Skirmish Association forum.� (I'm originally from Texas/Arkansas so I don't capitalize north:)

http://www.mlagb.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl
The Muzzle Loaders' Association of Great Britan Forum

It would also help if we knew more about why you are interested in the Enfield.� Then we would know how to direct your attention.� �Are you interested from a historical perspective?� Do you just like old rifles?� What drives your interest?� �Do you have any previous experience with black powder firearms?

You've made a great start by finding the LRML site and posting your message.


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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 4:32am
 
Pat,

Thanks for the reply.� I look forward to next one.�

I guess I should answer "D, all of the above..."� I am an avid Civil War enthusiast and have considerable interest in the history of the the Enfield.� I also enjoy shooting black powder rifles and revolvers.� I just want to learn everything I can about all aspects of the Enfield.� ��

I am familiar with the NSSA forum and have started looking at the MLAGB. Anything you can direct me at is greatly appreciated.

Thank you again,

James
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Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 2:59pm
 
James,

With regard to some articles to read if you haven't already done so:

Available on-line (google for them):

1. "Managing the Enfield," W.S. Curtis� (Bill Curtis in the forums).� You probably have already found this one, but I want to make sure you have;

2. "Introduction to the Enfield," Bill Adams, N-SSA, History;

3. "Intermediate Enfield," Bill Adams, Shooting Info;

The next threee articles are all by DeWitt Bailey and I don't think you will find them for free online, but you may be able to down load them.� David Minshall the administrator of this forum can help you with determining that.� �If you can't download them go to you local library and ask the librarian to get them for you.� They all appeared in The Gun Digest.

4. "British Volunteer Rifles 1850 - 1870," Civilian Market Enfields;

5. "British Small Bore Rifles, Part One - The 451 Muzzleloaders,"� The target and sniper rifles of the 1860s;

6. "The Whitworth Rifle," Whitworth was the man most responsible for the small bore target rifles and of course the Whitworth rifle itself which was used as a Civil War sniper rifle;

Here is a list of books I have that might be of interest to you:

"The British Soldier's Firearm, 1850-1864 From Smooth-bore to Small-bore,"� C.H. Roads, M.A., Ph.D., 1964.

The other books are mainly from the 1860s.� You can try to find them online as they have been republished.� David Minshall may be able to help you with some of them:

"Notes on Rifle Shooting," Captain Heaton, 1864;

"Hand Book of Rifle Shooting," Alex Lord Russell, 1869;

"Rifling and Rifle Sights," Lieut.-Col. Viscount Bury, M.P., 1864;

"The Art of Shooting with The Rifle," Col. Sir H. St. John Halford, 1888.

Good web sites to check for the books are: Amazon and ABE Books.   This no means a complete list see the "Technical" sections of the various domain specific web sites for more.

Pat
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Reply #4 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 11:54pm
 
While we are listing resources, have a look at the following:

http://www.researchpress.co.uk/firearms/british/enfield/index.htm

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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 2:16pm
 
My thanks to the both of you for your time in replying to this post.� I have been spending a lot of time on the researchpress website.�

I am having trouble locating the Bill Adams articles.� Does anyone have a valid URL to obtain these?

I also found some short but interesting articles at the below links via the Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_1853_Enfield
http://www.cfspress.com/sharpshooters/arms.html
http://www.militaryheritage.com/enfield1853.htm
http://www.svartkrutt.net/articles/vis.php?id=2

(Side note:� I just finished the Berry Benson's Memoirs of a a Confederate Scout and Sharpshooter.� The cfspress link shows his P60 Enfield.� I enjoyed the read.)

Any suggestions on bullets?� I have some Lyman 577-611, Minie, Enfield .577", 530 grain, on order.� I am also thinking of ordering some swaged bullets original style, hollow base bullet .575 diameter, 530 grain, smooth sided.� I would link to have some to shoot with paper patching.
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Reply #6 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 2:23pm
 
James,

The Bill Adams articles are ones I have had for a number of years.� �They may be "out of circulation" now.� Fortunately, Bill Adams and I share a mutual shooting friend.� I'll see if I can get Bill's phone number from that mutual friend and talk to Bill about how you may obtain a copy of the articles.

In the mean time with regard to your question about bullets to try, I'll pass along some of the information in Bill Adams' article, "Intermediate Enfield," in which he describes his experience in trying a number of bullets, etc.

One thing to keep in mind about Bill's information is that he is focused on accuracy in the context of North-South Skirmish Association matches that are predominately shot at 50 and 100 yards.� And, the results are a number of years old (Swiss powder may not even have been available in the US at the time of his testing).� That being said, Bill shot a number of Enfield type (original and repro) rifles with a number of bullets with a number of lubes.� His summary findings were "The best all around load combination for the various arms tested was the Lyman 575213 (not the Old Style - OS) with a charge of 42.5 grains FFFg Goex powder lubed with beeswax and tallow (he doesn't specify the mix but 50/50 is a good bet)� The RCBS bullet (wad cutter style) with 40-42 grains of Goex grouped well in most repros and in many original arms."

With regard to the Pritchett bullets, Bill had this to say "the 530-grain Pritchett bullets fired with a paper patch lubed with (50/50) beeswax and Mobil I and 70 grains of Fg powder was devastatingly powerful and accurate in all arms with progressive depth rifling.� The load grouped well but the recoil was abusive."� �That was the standard service load of the day with 50/50 beeswax and tallow lube on the paper patch as I recall.�

But as always, every rifle is a law unto itself.� You just have to find what works best in yours.� Hopes this helps get you started.

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Reply #7 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 6:34pm
 
Pat.....Why don't you tell your friends to join the forum? Sounds like they could enlighten us on a few things. I don't own an enfield [yet!] but would certainly like to know about load onfo etc.   cheers     Paul
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Reply #8 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 9:54pm
 
Paul,

I believe the "mutual friend" I mentioned already is a past member of this forum or at least browses it.

Once I understand the copyright situation with Bill Adams' articles, if it is feasibile, I was going to suggest that Bill and David confer on the possibility of posting them on the MLAGB website.� �I will extend to him an invitation to join the LRML forum as well as the MLAGB forum.

Bill, as far as I last knew, is heavily into N-SSA style matches which are far different than LRML matches.� �The N-SSA matches are more tuned to US/CSA Civil War battlefield slug-fests in that they are mostly fired at reactive targets (hanging clay pigeons) at 50 to 100 yards against time (to break all of your targets).� They may be done "individually" or in larger formations.� They are mostly (I believe as I am not any kind of authority on their rules) shot at the hanging clay pigeons by men in appropriate uniform of the Civil War units they represent.� They also conduct mortar and field artillery matches at least twice per year.

If you are interested in learning more, check out:

� http://n-ssa.org/phpBB3/� �, the N-SSA forum.� Go to
� http://n-ssa.org� for their main website.

I've not seen the field canon shoots, but the mortar shoots are fun.� They put a pole in the ground for a target.� Then they measure the fall of each shot from the pole.� I assume the winner is the team with the smallest sum of shot-fall to pole distances.� You can follow the balls as they arch through the air.

I go to the Nationals which are held in the spring and fall, not to compete (family health issues preclude that) but to browse the sutler stores for old rifles, old parts, lead, etc.� It's really a fun thing to do.� Come down and try it sometime.

The events are held at Ft. Shennandoah near Winchester, Virginia.� Bill is from West Virginia, I believe.� One of his predecessors was a member and probably an (the) officer of the 34th Bn Virginia Calvary.


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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 3:17am
 
Pat,

Thank you for looking into Adams' articles.� I really would like to read them.

Also, thanks for the information on concerning the bullets. I understand about each gun being different as to ammunition preference.�

on a side note, I pick up a copy of the "Notes on rifle shooting" tomorrow.� Smiley
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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 10:01pm
 
James, I'm sure you will enjoy Capt. Heaton's book.� Also try to get a copy of Alex Lord Russell's book, "Hand Book of Rifle Shooting," it is still available in reprint I believe.� Russell's book is more extensive in it's coverage of shooting topics than is Heaton's.� �If I had to choose between the two books it would be very hard, but I'd probably end up choosing Russell's book.� �They are the two books that I most use and value.

I may have gotten my copy of Russell's book through Amazon.� Give it a try first.� If that doesn't work try abebooks.com.� Abe Books is a wonderful resource for locating both new and old/used books of any type at reasonable prices.


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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 9:38pm
 
Pat,

I took your advise on the Russell's book.� I emailed a book dealer here in Lexington to place an order for it.�

You mentioned using abebooks and they are good.� I have also had great luck with www.bookfinder.com .� You may wish to try them sometime.�

I ordered the Heaton book through Barnes and Nobles.� The publisher is General Books LLC.� As a heads up, the formatting and editing is terrible.� It's readable but terrible.�

James
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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
James, my copy of Heaton's book is very well done.� It has a nice green hardcover, excellent font, and is a pleasure to read and to hold.

It was published by W.S. Curtis (publishers) Limited.� My version was published in 1993.� If the name W.S. Curtis sounds familiar, it should, Bill is the senior member (founder maybe, even) of the MLAGB forum and by decendency this forum as well.� �I'm sorry you got a lousy copy from a different publisher, but if it were me, I'd bite the bullet and get a copy that was published by W.S. Curtis.� �I can't remember whether I ordered mine out of England or not, but I know I had to do one book that way.� �I probably found it using either Amazon or ABE Books.

There's hope, there is a very good version out there that you will enjoy having.� �Sorry, I didn't list the publisher in the references I posted.� I didn't think there would be more than one.

I'll add the publishers to the book list:
"Notes on Rifle Shooting," Captain Heaton, 1864, W.S. Curtis (Publishers) Ltd., 1993;

"Hand Book of Rifle Shooting," Alex Lord Russell, 1869, Museum Restoration Service, 1989;

"Rifling and Rifle Sights," Lieut.-Col. Viscount Bury, M.P., 1864, Excalibur Publications, 1995;

"The Art of Shooting with The Rifle," Col. Sir H. St. John Halford, 1888, Excalibur Publications, 1995.


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