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Sep 13th, 2010 at 11:26pm
 
Hello everbody I am new to forum and new to muzzle loaders. I am currently building .40cal english sporting rifle 34 in barrel 1 in 18 twist. planing on pp bullets any info and advise on anything to help with this project will be a grate help. looking forward to chatting with yall. Thanks in advance
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Reply #1 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 1:06am
 
Since you are going to use PP bullets let me give you my best advice to save time, lead and powder to work up an optimum load. "size the bullets to fit your bore" That means you need to slug your barrel and get the tightest bore and groove diameter. You need to have a push thru sizer die like Lee makes to size the bullets after patching. A PP sizer die needs to be .001 smaller dia than a GG die because they don't size down quite as much in a given die. Your sized bullets should be from .0005 to .001 under bore diameter. One final thing---cast or swaged, make your bullets out of pure lead.
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Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 6:38am
 
Did I mention that I am also building a .40 cal muzzleloader to shoot slugs? I am using a heavy tapered barrel screwed into an Allen boxlock action. I decided that I want an underrib, loading rod and forend. That is one of the most difficult aspects of this build. The buttstock is straight grip with a checkered steel buttplate. I am making the forend with an ebony nosecap. My barrel also has a 1-18 twist. I probably will be using swaged PP bullets, sized to just under bore diameter. Keep me posted on how your project is going.
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Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 3:38pm
 
That underrib and rod 'may' cause some strange barrel vibrations for a target rifle. Years ago many of the target guns were made without them. Most of the guys here in matches remove the rod. If you must have the rib install it with screws onto the bottom barrel flat and you can take it off too.
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Reply #4 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 5:21am
 
Thanks for the advice. I was going to use screws to install the rib. The barrel is about 1.2" to about 1.1" taper X 30", so not going to be much affected by vibration. It is kind of an excercise in building a combination hunting target rifle like you see in the Ned Roberts book. Bullets are going to be thumb started----no false muzzle or starter needed.
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Reply #5 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 7:58pm
 
I have 'The Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle',........any one in particular you are emulating?
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 4:14am
 
know it's been a while been working 7 days a week and going to school at night. build is going a little better then i had planed instrutor said so also. have barrel and tang iniet ,lock ,single set trigger,ebony nose cap,under rib in place, also made ebony butt cap no cnc mill ,have grove cut for front sight need to file dove tail. looking for any advice on mounting tang sight thanks for the advice hope to have pics soon then will have to figer out how to post them. time and date says it is dec 9th 4 am where is that at it is dec 8th 11 pm where i am at (Anderson SC USA) thanks agin mabey won't be so long befor next post have a good one. Cheesy
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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 1:55pm
 
Welcome demac......I too have built a Rigby style sporting rifle with 1:18 twist, ebony nosecap,etc.  Mine has no provision for a ramrod but have not found it a handicap when hunting from a blind. 2 bucks have met their demise so far. I seem to be the voice in the wilderness around here about using grease groove bullets. My Gibbs and Rigby absolutely love them. Don't be afraid to try them if sized .001 under bore diameter and lubed with alox or SPG.. Also don't be afraid to use 30:1 or 24:1 alloy. A Postell or creedmoor style bullet would be a good choice to start with for target work. For hunting I use the tried and true lyman 500 grain Govt.  bullet sized down to .450 and lubed with alox. To say that they zip through a deer is an understatement.  Pictures of your project [and Z-man's] and updates on your load development would be interesting to us.   cheers    Paul
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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 11:54pm
 
i too would like to see pictures. Paulbehe, i also use greese groove bullets. i built a Pecatonica Rigby a few years ago with the 1-18" and i shoot the Lyman 457121 bullet for deer. i modified the 457121 mould to accept my 457122 Gould hollow point pin. the HP 457121 bullet weighs 460gr. with a .450" deep hollow point. i shot 4 deer with that bullet back in November and it crushed them.
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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:00am
 
how do i post pics
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:34pm
 
Paul, what is the as cast dia. on that .457 bullet you are sizing to .450 and what type of sizer are you doing it with?
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
Crank....sorry for the tardy response. The as cast diameter of the Lyman govt. is .458+. I size them down to .450 in a basic RCBS single stage press. The alloy is 30:1. They come out looking surprisingly good without undue effort on the press arm. As I have mentioned before, they are lubed with alox which I have found to be an excellent M/L lube, [cleaned between shots of course.] Even with the grease grooves reduced, the bullet still has enough lube to leave a faint "lube star" on the muzzle. For those of you who don't know what a "lube star" is, I will explain. When a lubed cast bullet leaves the muzzle of a rifle, there is a faint outline of lube left deposited on the muzzle. It actually isn't star shaped, but does show, more or less, the outline of the lands and grooves as the expanding gasses blow sideways out the muzzle at the instant the bullet exits. If the "star" is perfectly round and uniform, it indicates that there is a good crown on the muzzle and the bullet carries enough lube. It can easily be checked by simply looking at the muzzle after firing. It wipes off easily with your finger. However, if the star is out of round it indicates a damaged or poorly crowned muzzle, or a bullet that came out tipped slightly allowing gas to escape on one side of the bullet the instant it exits the muzzle. If there is no lube star, the barrel might be too long for the amount of grease carried by the bullet,  the style of bullet you are using doesn't carry enough lube, or you're just using the wrong lube for your application.  Leading near the muzzle could result in these instances. Hope you didn't find this too long winded.  cheers   Paul
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Reply #12 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 12:17am
 
Paul,

Do you lube with Alox before or after you size?  I think I already know, but I hate to assume when a simple question will remove all doubt.

Also, I can't remember if you use a lubed wad when you load and I'm too lazy to go read your other posts and find out:)

Pat

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Reply #13 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 12:58pm
 
Pat....The .458 bullets are already lubed with alox in a .459 sizing die and stored away. When I need a few to size down to .450 I just pull a few from inventory and go to it. I just thought of something. Maybe having an incompressible semi-solid already in the grooves keeps them from smearing during sizing? At any rate, being pre-lubed makes them easier to resize.  I don't use any type of wad in the Rigby or the Gibbs. I got better groups without them.    cheers    Paul
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Reply #14 - Dec 28th, 2010 at 11:38pm
 
paulbehe wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 12:58pm:
Pat....The .458 bullets are already lubed with alox in a .459 sizing die and stored away. When I need a few to size down to .450 I just pull a few from inventory and go to it. I just thought of something. Maybe having an incompressible semi-solid already in the grooves keeps them from smearing during sizing? At any rate, being pre-lubed makes them easier to resize.� I don't use any type of wad in the Rigby or the Gibbs. I got better groups without them.� � cheers� � Paul

you are correct Paul. filling the grooves with lube before sizing does help keep them from closing up when going down that far in size.
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