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JoeM
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Baker Rifle
05/09/07 at 2:15pm
 
I've had De Witt Bailey's book, 'British Military Flintlock Rifles 1740 - 1840' for about three or four months now and haven't had time to really get involved in studying this.  It looks like a great source for information.
 
A few things I have noticed just from leaping throught the book looking at the pictures is that it appears that the Baker Rifle has some 'Jaeger Rifle' influence, and that the Baker Rifle was designed as both a short and long range military rifle for it's day.
 
One of my thoughts is that with the Bakers' fixed rear sight, those that did use the Baker Rifle must have been very good marksmen.  
 
Was there a requirement to enter into these Baker Rifle Regiments that one had to meet through a marksmanship test of skill such as during the American Civil War - the Berdan Sharp Shooters' had to go through in as much as placing so many shots at a given distance into a specified area of a target?
 
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Reply #1 - 05/09/07 at 3:24pm
 
As an example of what a Regiment might do (given the exigencies of the service) I quote below a section from my article on the historical perspective of Long Range Shooting.  The complete article can be found elsewhere on this site under Long Range Muzzle Loading.
 
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Finally, before leaving the subject of what constitutes "Long Range" in the days of the round ball, we will look at the regulations of The Duke of Cumberland�s Sharp Shooters taken from HELPS AND HINTS HOW TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY, written in 1835 by Baron de Berenger. There were four classifications for the qualified shot. To achieve the Fourth Class, 50 yards, on a 30 inch target, five hits out of six shots taken off-hand carried the right to wear a black silk cockade. For the Third Class, as the Fourth, but at 100 yards, and a green centre for the cockade. The Second Class fired at 150 yards with three shots off-hand and three from a rest for an all green cockade. To attain the First Class, and still on the same thirty inch target, six shots were taken at 200 yards, but all from a rest. The all green cockade now sports a bronze skull and crossbones badge and the holders of this honour continued their shooting at ranges of up to three hundred yards.
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Reply #2 - 05/09/07 at 5:08pm
 
The article Bill refers to is:  Long Range Shooting: An Historical Perspective
 
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Reply #3 - 05/09/07 at 7:17pm
 
Thank you both!
 
Bill, I did read the link David posted above... �I do recall reading that at one time or another. �This leads me to yet another question.
 
Is there any information available on when a soldier who had won the right to wear one of the colored cockade's, when he could try for the next higher honor cockade?
 
Three hundred yards for a roundball to fly true is something of a feat in itself by the shooter, not to mention a 400 yard shot during the American Revolution. �
 
I have often thought of doing a battery of test concerning 150, 200, 250, and 300 yard roundball shooting with my Dickert .45 flintlock rifle...
 
Perhaps if we ever get our range work completed this year (our local range is under repair & remodeling from grant monies) I do plan on putting these ranges to the test on 28" targets - seeing how many hits from 5 shots at each range I can make.
 
Maybe in a few months? Smiley � �
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Reply #4 - 05/10/07 at 12:05am
 
The Baker was indeed very heavily influenced by the Jaegar rifle which were being used by German riflemen in the employ of the British, such as elements of the 60th Regiment.  
 
The Baker, went through quite a few alterations over the years, and for some time it did have a two leaf rear sight, one fixed & one folding, but ended up with the single fixed rear sight on the "pattern" of 1823.  
 
When the experimental corps of riflemen was first raised (later to become the 95th Regiment of Foot & in 1816 the Rifle Brigade) it was formed with draughts from regular line regiments. In fact this was taken as an opportunity by several line regiments to relieve themselves of some of their less than desirable elements and quite a few were sent back. Whenever recruits were required there was no stipulation as to shooting skills, these were taught. After a while such was the appeal of the regiment that recruiting was not usually difficult, in fact at one point so many volunteers applied that another Battalion was formed.  Adrian.
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Reply #5 - 05/10/07 at 2:19am
 
Thank you for the information, A._Roads, I appreciate it! Smiley
 
I started reading chapter 15 of De Witt Bailey's book, and the picture is beginning to form and become clear about marksmanship training in the British Army.
 
Also, I notice that the Baker did in-deed come in several variations, (the folding rear sight as you point out), this study is very interesting. �I really need to set down and read this fine book that Mr. Bailey wrote, 'British Military Flintlock Rifles 1740 - 1840'.  There is much to be learned here.  
 
I thought there was some Jaeger influence to the Baker Rifle, but I wanted to hear it from someone else to be sure I wasn't just reading something into this rifle that did, or did not exist.
 
My thanks to all of you for the great information you've posted for me to review.
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