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James Wilkes Gunmaker St James st
01/14/09 at 2:26pm
 
I am trying to get any information on James Wilkes, St james st Westminster circa 1800.
 
Is this the same man that designed a breech loading system for a flintlock?
 
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Reply #1 - 01/14/09 at 6:29pm
 
Nigel Brown's 'British Gunmakers' simply lists Wilkes at Coventry Crt, 1796 and St. James St. 1799-1810. That's all I have access to. I can't find any information on Patents by Wilkes; do you have any more information on the BL Flintlock system?
 
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Reply #2 - 01/14/09 at 8:21pm
 
James Wilkes, Gunmaker, 1 Coventry Court 1796 (Poll Lists) Sword Cutler and Gunmaker 21 St.James Street, Covent Garden 1799-1810, Contractor to the Ordnance 1799-1800. His breechloading rifle tried and rejected by the Ordnance 1801-05, Bankrupt 1802.  (Blackmore)
Initial Bill Date in Board Of Ordnance books May 1799, Final Date 1800. Contracted for locks and a small number of completed arms including the breech loading rifle that was rejected by the Ordnace in 1805 (Bailey).
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Reply #3 - 01/15/09 at 9:34am
 
Very many thanks for your information David and Bill.  
 
James is an ancestor. His son S Wilkes who was appointed as armourer to perry on the artic explorations in the early 1820's and mentions in his diary that his father james wilkes of St james st "was gunsmith to his majesty".  
 
Could this be true?
Is there a record of royal appointments?
 
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Reply #4 - 01/15/09 at 10:36am
 
I suspect that this might well have been a slight conflation of the of the limited period of having a Board of Ordnance Contract ?
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Reply #5 - 01/15/09 at 5:16pm
 
Another snippet... Howard Blackmore in his "British Military Firearms 1650-1850" notes:
 
"...in 1801 a breechloding rifle by James Wilkes, the sword cutler and gunmekr of Covent Garden, was given extensive trials by Col. Manningham at Caesar's Camp, Bagshot. Tow more rifles were ordered and the gunmaker asked to adjust the sights and "to form the Plughole at the Breech precisely of the same size as the Calibre of the Rifle". The trials of the rifle came to a conclusion in May, 1805, with a payment of eleven guineas to the so-called inventor. I use that adjective as the Wilkes breechloading action was simply a screw plug let into the top of the barrel with a link to prevent its loss - one of the oldest of ideas."
 
There is a picture of the Wilkes flintlock... have you seen this?
 
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Reply #6 - 01/15/09 at 10:02pm
 
Thanks for the additional information.  I havent seen the illustration of the rifle.  
Is it possible to scan it?
Are guns made by James Wilkes common?
Do the Patent prototypes contiue to exist in a collection somewhere  ?
Was the John Wilkes also a gunsmith in this area related to James?
 
I had another look at the diary extract (written in 1819) it says "my father James Wilkes late of St james st, gunmaker to his majesty GR3". Possibly a bit of personal liscence as you say.
 
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Reply #7 - 01/16/09 at 1:10pm
 
Wilkes guns are not common. �The listing of Firearms Patents covering the period show that he did not register a patent for his design which was, basically, merely a variation on the La Chaumette design of many years earlier. �The differences seem to have been to place the plug on the side and to provide a linkage to prevent it being lost, not a new idea either.
 
John Wilkes was born in 1801 according to the Census of 1841 and was listed as a gunmaker at Gloster Builldings, St.Georges.
 
The rifle is in the collection of the Royal Armouries now at Leeds.
 

 

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Reply #8 - 01/19/09 at 2:09pm
 
Thanks very much for the illustration and information.
 
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