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epraslick
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Some basic LRML Questions
Oct 29th, 2007, 9:28pm
 
Hi Guys,
 
As you can see, this is my first post, here. I am very keen on getting into the LRML game. After reading some of the info already posted, it looks like a stock Pedersoli Gibbs is the easy route to go. For 800-1000 yards, is the .40 or .45 best?
 
I have a bit of LR experience, having shot and coached on a few Palma (fullbore/.308 Win. using the 155 grain bullet)Intl. teams. In that game, we shoot prone w/sling and metallic sights. What are the legal positions available for Intl. LRML competitions? What are the top shots in the game using?
 
On the subject of the conduct of the matches...are they 15 shot? Sighters? Time limits? How about the team matches? Are they 4-man/8-man events?  
 
Any advice would be very much appreciated.
 
Emil Praslick
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Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2007, 7:16am
 
Emil, welcome to the forum.
 
.40 or .45 cal? The original match rifles of the 19th century after which the Ped. Gibbs is styled were all around .45 cal. The .40 cal Gibbs is a new introduction and I think has stemmed from the success some black powder cartridge rifle (BPCR) shooters have been having with .40 cal rifles at long range. It also perhaps suits those who prefer less recoil. Despite grand announcements when it was launched the .40 Gibbs is as yet unproven in major competition although some good reports are starting to come in. .45 still remains the most popular choice. If you do consider the .40 cal be careful as Pedersoli manufacture two versions, one with a slow (1:24 I think) and one with a fast twist (1:16). You will ned the 1:16 for LR work.
 
International rules (see www.mlaic.org) and those for matches in Great Britain and continental Europe matches are fired:
  • with metallic sights
  • prone position and two point sling for ranges out to and including 600 yards
  • beyond 600 yard prone with a two point sling and/or a wrist rest for support or back position

International matches are:
  • 300, 500, 600 yards: 10 shots in 1 hour.
  • 900, 1000 yards: 15 shots in 1.5 hours.

Team matches fired at the interationals are teams of four. Two matches:
  • mid-range (300, 500, 600yds aggregate)
  • long range (900, 1000yds aggregate)

There are some variations in these matches locally and in some US domestic matches cross-sticks are permitted.
 
The top shooters, well many are using custom built rifles and there are still a number of original match rifles being fired (particularly in the UK). The Pedersoli Gibbs has made the sport far more accessible and these are now major contenders - they are an accurate rifle and I have had great results from mine. People have however variously upgraded them with new sights, barrels and lock parts as suits need and pocket - but out of the box, providing you understand the proper managment of the rifle and have the shooting skills you will be a contender with one.
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 31st, 2007, 2:21pm
 
Emil,  
 
Welcome to the sport. I do not think you will be disappointed by either the .40 or .45 cal. Pedersoli Gibbs rifle. We had a .40 show up at the June NMLRA Camp Atterbury match and it performed quite admirably out to 1000 yds. Although the .40 is effected by the wind a little more than the .45 it has less recoil so if this is a factor in the making of your decision you may opt for the .40 cal. over the .45. As David said make sure you have the fast twist 1 in 16 barrel in the .40. Either way, I would add the lock upgrade to the rifle that is available from Joe Hepsworth. I believe it is money well spent. Better sights can be added later should you feel the need to do so. Good luck and hope to see you at the range.  
 
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